persuade a lot of people in the media it was ronald reagan who is responsible for the increase in the deficit. he's not. he tried to veto many of those bills. he could not because the democrats controlled congress, and so he was forced, willy-nilly, if you're going to have a budget at all--and mr. clinton is going to discover this--you just have to go along, in the end, with congress. and he did not bankrupt the country. he did--he tried to control spending. he was just in too weak a position to do so. c-span: so you just wash your hands of any of the problems today that were brought about by supply-side economics. >> guest: well, the problems ex--they weren't brought about by supply-side economics. they were brought about, i would say, by irresponsible congressional expenditures. but it doesn't matter. the problems are real. i mean, they're with us. i mean, medicare, medicaid, things that originally were thought to involve the expenditure of perhaps a few billion dollars suddenly are s--going at the rate of tens of billions of dollars, which no one really anticipated, but which a thoughtful